My IT manager at work recently printed me a pair of those waveguide adaptors with the tapered holes (that mount the adapter to the guide) and a pair of the ones that don't have tapered holes. They both will work great but the file for the ones with the tapered holes will require you to open up the notches for the terminals a bit. No big deal, shouldn't take more than a minute or two with a file. He printed mine with some orange PLA so I'll hit the exposed part with a little flat black spray paint. Looking forward to measuring and listening to the Beast Mode in that particular WG.
Dayton PM220 and PM180 are on "pre-black Friday sale." Looks like the 220 could be a potential option for an 8in two-way with the Beast mode tweeter you all are excited about. Never used a pair, but the PM220 always struck me as one of the more overlooked of the Dayton offerings.
Saw that, and only now realize it's for a PAIR!
That said, these are the midrange, so 2 other drivers are required per side over that of a 2way with the woofer version.
At $250 a piece for a 7" driver, I would hope for something that did both bass and midrange well.
Then again, the 3" Tang Band dome mid taught me the value of an ultra low distortion mid. I had a group of neighborhood audio friends over this summer and once we got to my three ways with the TB mids, they really didn't want to listen to anything else.
Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.
@ScottS said:
At $250 a piece for a 7" driver, I would hope for something that did both bass and midrange well.
Then again, the 3" Tang Band dome mid taught me the value of an ultra low distortion mid. I had a group of neighborhood audio friends over this summer and once we got to my three ways with the TB mids, they really didn't want to listen to anything else.
Is that the same or similar to the new TB 3 inch domes? I loved a Morel dome in a 3 way
But Chahly - Stahkist don't want speakers that look good, Stahkist wants speakers that sound good!
@ScottS said:
At $250 a piece for a 7" driver, I would hope for something that did both bass and midrange well.
Then again, the 3" Tang Band dome mid taught me the value of an ultra low distortion mid. I had a group of neighborhood audio friends over this summer and once we got to my three ways with the TB mids, they really didn't want to listen to anything else.
Is that the same or similar to the new TB 3 inch domes? I loved a Morel dome in a 3 way
Scott's had those mids in that 3way since 2011. They are the original version of that driver.
@ScottS said:
At $250 a piece for a 7" driver, I would hope for something that did both bass and midrange well.
Then again, the 3" Tang Band dome mid taught me the value of an ultra low distortion mid. I had a group of neighborhood audio friends over this summer and once we got to my three ways with the TB mids, they really didn't want to listen to anything else.
Is that the same or similar to the new TB 3 inch domes? I loved a Morel dome in a 3 way
Scott's had those mids in that 3way since 2011. They are the original version of that driver.
It's awesome to see that driver coming back (backordered at PE). I thought something might be up when I saw a recent AudioExpress article.
Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.
I've seen some self proclaimed "audio experts" post that dome mids make no sense... but I sure do love the Morel 2.125" domes (CAM558) in my Gormachos. I've even pondered building a Gormacho 2.0 using them with better ribbon tweeters (Viawaves vs the Fountek CDNeo1.0).
I really like a good dome mid too.
Did you see the reason TB stopped making theirs was to develop there own dome? Apparently their supplier had passed away, and they couldn't make them after that until they succeeded in developing their own dome in house. Took almost 2 years to refine it, and now they are making the 2 dome
mids again. I hope this means that some gone tweeters will again resurface like the 28-537.
They don't make sense until you listen to them in most cases. The 3" TB mid is an exception as it has the measurements to back it up. It has lower measured 2nd and 3rd harmonic distortion than a lot of amplifiers within its preferred operating range.
Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.
FWIW they were tested by AudioXpress. Frequency response is fine, but distortion is quite high. Likely not much of a mechanism to prevent cone rocking. But they're cheap so if you need a low profile speaker...
I have a pair of those that I added to an order because I was curious - but I haven't figured out what to do with them yet. They might fare okay as a lower mid in a 4-way design with a large woofer (like an Infinity Kappa 9 clone).
Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.
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My IT manager at work recently printed me a pair of those waveguide adaptors with the tapered holes (that mount the adapter to the guide) and a pair of the ones that don't have tapered holes. They both will work great but the file for the ones with the tapered holes will require you to open up the notches for the terminals a bit. No big deal, shouldn't take more than a minute or two with a file. He printed mine with some orange PLA so I'll hit the exposed part with a little flat black spray paint. Looking forward to measuring and listening to the Beast Mode in that particular WG.
I guess that I'm the only one not entirely thrilled with the Visaton wg. It's okay, but I think it's too deep.
Craig - can you post that file?
Please do if it's different from: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4714668
Thanks,
Nate
Dayton PM220 and PM180 are on "pre-black Friday sale." Looks like the 220 could be a potential option for an 8in two-way with the Beast mode tweeter you all are excited about. Never used a pair, but the PM220 always struck me as one of the more overlooked of the Dayton offerings.
https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-PM220-8-8-Wideband-Midbass-Neo-Driver-295-345
https://audioxpress.com/article/test-bench-dayton-audio-pm220-8-wideband-neodymium-8-woofer
Someone, please tell me they are not worth it...
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/deal_of_the_day
Deal of the Day! PTT6.5M08-NFA-01 6.5" Ultra Low Distortion Midrange- 8 ohm - PAIR
$499.00
https://www.jfcomponents.com/
Saw that, and only now realize it's for a PAIR!
That said, these are the midrange, so 2 other drivers are required per side over that of a 2way with the woofer version.
InDIYana Event Website
Probably worth for a high end 3 way build. Sadly, these are a restock and only 1 pair.
At $250 a piece for a 7" driver, I would hope for something that did both bass and midrange well.
Then again, the 3" Tang Band dome mid taught me the value of an ultra low distortion mid. I had a group of neighborhood audio friends over this summer and once we got to my three ways with the TB mids, they really didn't want to listen to anything else.
Sehlin Sound Solutions
Is that the same or similar to the new TB 3 inch domes? I loved a Morel dome in a 3 way
Without getting into whether they are"worth" it... If someone was already thinking about getting them, that's a pretty nice discount.
Scott's had those mids in that 3way since 2011. They are the original version of that driver.
InDIYana Event Website
PE is 15% off site -wide HARVEST15 code
Did anyone look at PE's "New 2023 Digital Catalog"? It only has Dayton products and no pricing. That's pretty dumb.
Time to buy some woofers.
Ron
It's awesome to see that driver coming back (backordered at PE). I thought something might be up when I saw a recent AudioExpress article.
Sehlin Sound Solutions
I've seen some self proclaimed "audio experts" post that dome mids make no sense... but I sure do love the Morel 2.125" domes (CAM558) in my Gormachos. I've even pondered building a Gormacho 2.0 using them with better ribbon tweeters (Viawaves vs the Fountek CDNeo1.0).
I really like a good dome mid too.
Did you see the reason TB stopped making theirs was to develop there own dome? Apparently their supplier had passed away, and they couldn't make them after that until they succeeded in developing their own dome in house. Took almost 2 years to refine it, and now they are making the 2 dome
mids again. I hope this means that some gone tweeters will again resurface like the 28-537.
InDIYana Event Website
They don't make sense until you listen to them in most cases. The 3" TB mid is an exception as it has the measurements to back it up. It has lower measured 2nd and 3rd harmonic distortion than a lot of amplifiers within its preferred operating range.
Sehlin Sound Solutions
Did any one ever use the strange Peerless domes? https://www.parts-express.com/Peerless-GBS-135F25AL02-04-5-1-4-Aluminum-Cone-Woofer-4-Ohm-264-1486
FWIW they were tested by AudioXpress. Frequency response is fine, but distortion is quite high. Likely not much of a mechanism to prevent cone rocking. But they're cheap so if you need a low profile speaker...
https://audioxpress.com/article/test-bench-tymphany-gbs-135f25al02-04-5-25-inch-woofer
I have a pair of those that I added to an order because I was curious - but I haven't figured out what to do with them yet. They might fare okay as a lower mid in a 4-way design with a large woofer (like an Infinity Kappa 9 clone).
Sehlin Sound Solutions
You could make some really low profile surround speakers with those and the GRS BG clones.
Second Skin Audio has 20% off everything with code BF20.
https://secondskinaudio.com/
Ron
I just couldn't get inspired to buy more drivers even with the 15% off sale because I really needed to upgrade some of my tools to build cabinets and furniture so I ordered this instead of some 15" PA woofers --> https://www.infinitytools.com/pro-router-table-packages-w-3-1-4-h-p-router
I got the Dust Cube, Wheels, Inserts and accessory kit along with it - should arrive in less than 2 weeks.
Now I can work with the router bench rather than work-on the router bench (Old unit built at home with my dad 30+ years ago).
I have a smaller Triton router on a Bosch router table and love the router.
Ron
Madisound Black Friday sale
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/specials/madisound-2022-sale/?fbclid=IwAR30U3aEabOCHw5dc-0QsWudY2RUaHgTBdj09sBCtLZLPGORkenbjfSKSCY
Those ^ Satori woofers ( https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-10-woofers/satori-wo24p-4-9.5-egyptian- ) look like a steal at that price - got to resist!
I would love a set of those Satori. Even with George's mixed alignment the bass was some of the best I've heard.