They used to cost a quarter of the Scan-Speak (classic line-up) equivalent and comparable performance. So offered outstanding value.
The only downside is the price has gone up.
But I guess, what hasn’t gone up in price?
In terms of Vd/$/cu ft, the RS270 is even better value than the RS225.
Here’s some comparative measurements:
To be fair, I'll state that I've only used the RS125-4 aluminums. I have heard all of the others though. The paper 100/125/150 are all great at midrange duty, and either RS100 is a great full range on its own. The RS225 is great at bass and hard to use in a 2way for novices, either style. Same for the RS270, but in a lot bigger box. I think the RS150 aluminum tends to be the least used, but the breakup is easier than the RS125-8A.
They pretty much all have their place, and are cost effective.
I wonder if there’s been a change in the RS270.
That French DIY site that measured it suggests a BR box that isn’t much larger than what’s it necessary for the RS225.
Re: Dayton RS270-8
Original:
Il y a un gros écart entre les données constructeurs et les valeurs mesurées. Selon Dayton l’alignement QB3 nous donne un volume de 170 litres, contre moins de 60 litres pour les valeurs mesurées.
Safari translated:
There is a big gap between the manufacturer data and the measured values. According to Dayton, the QB3 alignment gives us a volume of 170 liters, compared to less than 60 liters for the measured values.
So mine finally showed up. I just need to snap a couple of pics, and then I will post them, but first I did a little math just for giggles and shits. They were postmarked August 7th, so I figure that's 11 working days because who wants to work weekends, and a normal work day being 8 hours, I figure my scores traveled at just under 3.5 mph to my house. lol
First post! Just got my score cards in the mail (rural post office and vacation travel). I have no complaints about the scoring. I’ve noticed these speakers are very sweet spot dependent. Finishing initial assembly Friday of the competition I also didn’t get a chance to tweak anything, I plan on padding the tweeter another dB or so.
Would love any feedback if y’all had any notes on speaker 42 (Quattroporte).
@DanW said:
First post! Just got my score cards in the mail (rural post office and vacation travel). I have no complaints about the scoring. I’ve noticed these speakers are very sweet spot dependent. Finishing initial assembly Friday of the competition I also didn’t get a chance to tweak anything, I plan on padding the tweeter another dB or so.
Would love any feedback if y’all had any notes on speaker 42 (Quattroporte).
Wish I could have heard these, but my speakers (Retrospeak) played right before your Quattroportes, so I was carting my speakers back to the holding area while you were setting up. I didn't make it back in time and I got locked out into the hallway area when your speakers began to play. I thought your speakers looked really nice, the baffle board's are simply stunning.
From my spot I scored them above the average (of the other speakers). Plus on the bass, slightly above average mid range, and average on the highs. These would have been interesting to hear with a traditional tweeter height- stand mounted.
@jhollander said:
From my spot I scored them above the average (of the other speakers). Plus on the bass, slightly above average mid range, and average on the highs. These would have been interesting to hear with a traditional tweeter height- stand mounted.
Thanks for the feedback and compliments jhollander and 4thtry.
I did, briefly, experiment with stand mounts, the center of gravity is just behind the front baffle, setting them so the baffle is perpendicular to the stand (and overhanging the front) they are VERY tipsy. Since you brought it up and now I'm curious I think I will set them up in their tilted position on coffee tables for a listen. Cheers!
My project obviously was not in the top tier as judged by the panel. And with 1/3 of one channel not working it was not a surprise or anything and there is no need to post the full scoresheets. But...
The one standout score was a '2' for craftsmanship. It's been a month and this is still stuck in my craw so to speak. I think the judge just did not "get" why I would place drivers inside a wire cage. Even though I spent a lot of time describing the concept in my writeup, the judges didn't even read it. I attempted to explain it a bit in the few minutes during setup while I was rushing to set up, all the while being told that if I could not complete everything within a few minutes I would lose out on judging time. That really had me rattled, since I had a complicated active system to set up. Also, later on, some a-hole kept saying I should put a stuffed parrot inside as a kind of joke or whatever. And when I circled back to ask the judges about something on Saturday on one of them called it a "birdcage". Ha ha ha. So classy all around. I'm honestly still pissed about it.
Charlie, I'm sorry to hear this. I love talking with you, seeing/hearing your projects. Your work is way beyond a 2. I feel like you have been pushing the envelope of what can be done for a long time; if they can't see that too bad for them, don't be deterred by this bad experience.
Hi Charlie. I concur with what Ken said. And I agree with you too. I'd be pissed by those comments. Whoever was making the stuffed parrot comments probably didn't even have a design entered.
It's easy for useless people to be critics because they have nothing invested in it and are most often devoid of creativity - jealousy makes them this way.
I really think your baffleless cages are unique, even if it is not my up of tea visually, it gets the physical setup as close as you can without being a 'swinging' baffleless speaker without rigid mounts.
That said, the 2 is likely for not being knowledgeable of the reason for the construction. I bet the judge didn't pay enough attention as you set them up.
As to comments...
I actually thought the 'free range' woofer comment was quite clever. I didn't see that as a jab, but another way to keep the experience light and fun. We kinda do this to each other, even at InDIYana. Yes, the 'bird comment' was annoying, especially since it was said like 3 times by the same guy.
Additionally, I've been in your shoes. I had a speaker that farted all over the place with any kind of extended bass response. (Should a <$200 speaker really be judged on dominant 27Hz sounds? As a result of this and other entrants' issues the lower class has been reduced on bass requirements in judging since then.) Because of my poorer sound quality results I was docked extensively. This drag racing as it is has seen this kind of thing before. I had another time where a spring jumped from a spring terminal, and I had to find it to complete my setup and then demo. And even if yours sounded quite good with your issue in tow, the problem existed, and that is enough to judge your results worse than one that didn't have the issue. Votes gave not you nor me any kind of courtesy over such a matter, and they are at least honest that way. It burns for awhile after something like this, but I bet you won't have that issue again.
I look forward to hearing them in their correct operation in a few weeks outside of Detroit. You have had the best baffleless systems I've heard, active or not.
Thanks for the support and kind thoughts. I really appreciate it. This was definitely not about me "not winning" or anything like that! That was 100% on me. There was just a bit of frustration on my part for the project getting dissed in a way that I didn't think was at all warranted. I must have missed the "free range" comment you mentioned Ben.
I'm still considering bringing them to the CSS event next month, just not sure how well they will fit in the venue.
If you go into this not giving two shits if you "win/lose" then it doesn't matter.
To play devil's advocate, how would you rate zip tied together wire cage compared to say my cabs? Strictly from a "craftsmanship" point of view. I get why Charlie did what he did and would give originality points, but craftsmanship?
I'm out of this discussion at this point - its just the same crap as arguing over Passive -VS- Active . . .
I thought it was all about the sound, but ??? . . .
@Steve_Lee said:
I thought it was all about the sound, but ??? .
Nope. The scoring at SDC includes a Craftsmanship category and Originality category. I don't love that, but we all know the rules going in and I get why Parts Express wants to encourage that. If we just want to listen and have it all about the sound, we have InDIYana, CSS/Detroit, MAC/Iowa, etc.
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They used to cost a quarter of the Scan-Speak (classic line-up) equivalent and comparable performance. So offered outstanding value.
The only downside is the price has gone up.
But I guess, what hasn’t gone up in price?
In terms of Vd/$/cu ft, the RS270 is even better value than the RS225.
Here’s some comparative measurements:
https://www.justdiyit.com/grand-comparatif-de-10-pouces-partie-1/
But the RS225 is hard to go past for a 2-way.
Which ones are your favourites @Wolf ?
Could you be more specific in your query, please? What exactly do you want my opinion on?
InDIYana Event Website
Sorry,
To be clear- Which ones are your favourite RS drivers (RS100/125/150/180/225/270; alu or paper, 8 or 4 ohm)
To be fair, I'll state that I've only used the RS125-4 aluminums. I have heard all of the others though. The paper 100/125/150 are all great at midrange duty, and either RS100 is a great full range on its own. The RS225 is great at bass and hard to use in a 2way for novices, either style. Same for the RS270, but in a lot bigger box. I think the RS150 aluminum tends to be the least used, but the breakup is easier than the RS125-8A.
They pretty much all have their place, and are cost effective.
InDIYana Event Website
I wonder if there’s been a change in the RS270.
That French DIY site that measured it suggests a BR box that isn’t much larger than what’s it necessary for the RS225.
Re: Dayton RS270-8
Original:
Il y a un gros écart entre les données constructeurs et les valeurs mesurées. Selon Dayton l’alignement QB3 nous donne un volume de 170 litres, contre moins de 60 litres pour les valeurs mesurées.
Safari translated:
There is a big gap between the manufacturer data and the measured values. According to Dayton, the QB3 alignment gives us a volume of 170 liters, compared to less than 60 liters for the measured values.
Simmed in 80L:
https://www.justdiyit.com/grand-comparatif-de-10-pouces-partie-1/3/
I've used the 100/180/225/270 aluminum versions. They are really fantastic drivers for the price. I have a set of the 270P's waiting.
So mine finally showed up. I just need to snap a couple of pics, and then I will post them, but first I did a little math just for giggles and shits. They were postmarked August 7th, so I figure that's 11 working days because who wants to work weekends, and a normal work day being 8 hours, I figure my scores traveled at just under 3.5 mph to my house. lol
My Total is 152
Craftsmanship 10, 10, and of course 10 !
Congratulations Nick, they were so cool!
Three scores of 7? Your stock is dropping Number 2! Lol
Yeah, what can I say? I just suck.
You definitely suck
At building lousy speakers😝
First post! Just got my score cards in the mail (rural post office and vacation travel). I have no complaints about the scoring. I’ve noticed these speakers are very sweet spot dependent. Finishing initial assembly Friday of the competition I also didn’t get a chance to tweak anything, I plan on padding the tweeter another dB or so.
Would love any feedback if y’all had any notes on speaker 42 (Quattroporte).
Wish I could have heard these, but my speakers (Retrospeak) played right before your Quattroportes, so I was carting my speakers back to the holding area while you were setting up. I didn't make it back in time and I got locked out into the hallway area when your speakers began to play. I thought your speakers looked really nice, the baffle board's are simply stunning.
From my spot I scored them above the average (of the other speakers). Plus on the bass, slightly above average mid range, and average on the highs. These would have been interesting to hear with a traditional tweeter height- stand mounted.
Thanks for the feedback and compliments jhollander and 4thtry.
I did, briefly, experiment with stand mounts, the center of gravity is just behind the front baffle, setting them so the baffle is perpendicular to the stand (and overhanging the front) they are VERY tipsy. Since you brought it up and now I'm curious I think I will set them up in their tilted position on coffee tables for a listen. Cheers!
My project obviously was not in the top tier as judged by the panel. And with 1/3 of one channel not working it was not a surprise or anything and there is no need to post the full scoresheets. But...
The one standout score was a '2' for craftsmanship. It's been a month and this is still stuck in my craw so to speak. I think the judge just did not "get" why I would place drivers inside a wire cage. Even though I spent a lot of time describing the concept in my writeup, the judges didn't even read it. I attempted to explain it a bit in the few minutes during setup while I was rushing to set up, all the while being told that if I could not complete everything within a few minutes I would lose out on judging time. That really had me rattled, since I had a complicated active system to set up. Also, later on, some a-hole kept saying I should put a stuffed parrot inside as a kind of joke or whatever. And when I circled back to ask the judges about something on Saturday on one of them called it a "birdcage". Ha ha ha. So classy all around. I'm honestly still pissed about it.
Charlie, I'm sorry to hear this. I love talking with you, seeing/hearing your projects. Your work is way beyond a 2. I feel like you have been pushing the envelope of what can be done for a long time; if they can't see that too bad for them, don't be deterred by this bad experience.
Hi Charlie. I concur with what Ken said. And I agree with you too. I'd be pissed by those comments. Whoever was making the stuffed parrot comments probably didn't even have a design entered.
It's easy for useless people to be critics because they have nothing invested in it and are most often devoid of creativity - jealousy makes them this way.
Ignore the bastards and do what makes you happy.
I really think your baffleless cages are unique, even if it is not my up of tea visually, it gets the physical setup as close as you can without being a 'swinging' baffleless speaker without rigid mounts.
That said, the 2 is likely for not being knowledgeable of the reason for the construction. I bet the judge didn't pay enough attention as you set them up.
As to comments...
I actually thought the 'free range' woofer comment was quite clever. I didn't see that as a jab, but another way to keep the experience light and fun. We kinda do this to each other, even at InDIYana. Yes, the 'bird comment' was annoying, especially since it was said like 3 times by the same guy.
Additionally, I've been in your shoes. I had a speaker that farted all over the place with any kind of extended bass response. (Should a <$200 speaker really be judged on dominant 27Hz sounds? As a result of this and other entrants' issues the lower class has been reduced on bass requirements in judging since then.) Because of my poorer sound quality results I was docked extensively. This drag racing as it is has seen this kind of thing before. I had another time where a spring jumped from a spring terminal, and I had to find it to complete my setup and then demo. And even if yours sounded quite good with your issue in tow, the problem existed, and that is enough to judge your results worse than one that didn't have the issue. Votes gave not you nor me any kind of courtesy over such a matter, and they are at least honest that way. It burns for awhile after something like this, but I bet you won't have that issue again.
I look forward to hearing them in their correct operation in a few weeks outside of Detroit. You have had the best baffleless systems I've heard, active or not.
InDIYana Event Website
Charlie, I thought the midrange clarity had everything else beat.
Thanks for the support and kind thoughts. I really appreciate it. This was definitely not about me "not winning" or anything like that! That was 100% on me. There was just a bit of frustration on my part for the project getting dissed in a way that I didn't think was at all warranted. I must have missed the "free range" comment you mentioned Ben.
I'm still considering bringing them to the CSS event next month, just not sure how well they will fit in the venue.
Jerry's son Simon said he preferred his woofers free range.
InDIYana Event Website
What were the other two scores on. "CRAFTSMANSHIP"?
This is why I have a generally low opinion of this event. It creates animosity and braggadocio where it should be encouraging brotherhood.
If you go into this not giving two shits if you "win/lose" then it doesn't matter.
To play devil's advocate, how would you rate zip tied together wire cage compared to say my cabs? Strictly from a "craftsmanship" point of view. I get why Charlie did what he did and would give originality points, but craftsmanship?
Function over form or form over function?
I'm out of this discussion at this point - its just the same crap as arguing over Passive -VS- Active . . .
I thought it was all about the sound, but ??? . . .
Nope. The scoring at SDC includes a Craftsmanship category and Originality category. I don't love that, but we all know the rules going in and I get why Parts Express wants to encourage that. If we just want to listen and have it all about the sound, we have InDIYana, CSS/Detroit, MAC/Iowa, etc.