I did have my wife connect both to a speaker switch, wired to the same speakers, and hid the connections. When I get time I will do some listening. For the first round I will choose a or b, and if I’m wrong then I know I’m crazy and no reason to go to double blind. If I identify which is which I’ll see if I can get her to run the controls for a real test.
As for wires, not my thing. The best system I’ve ever heard has over 400’ of SnapAV basic in wall 14/4 (7.1.4 with 3 subs, electronics in the basement).
@tommytunes50 said:
Many many moons ago there was a long thread on Audio Asylum about generic 14/3 extension cord from Home Depot as speaker cable. Folks were convinced that it out performed many mega buck esoteric cables. But it had to be the orange jacket with the black stripe. The “Halloween” cable. And it was directional. The text on the jacket had to read towards the speaker. Or the amp, I don’t remember. 🙄
I still have a "Halloween" cable. It sends power to my soldering workbench. My crossovers need all the help they can get.
Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.
Thanks! I have tried a few others against it including a decent Rotel and it was no comparison. The JBL was clearly better.
That said, I might have a line on an amp I’ve been after for a while, so this one may be available soon. Let me know (any of you on here) if interested!
I listened to them blindly tonight. Short story is I was able to confidently say which was which. It was less clear which was which and took closer listening. I’m certain a big part was not seeing them, and also they shared the negative at the switch and the speakers, so regardless of which was chosen the negative was also used on the other wire, so that possibly contributed.
The defining factors that decided it for me this time around was edgier highs, lack of solid deep bass, lower image height, and less coherence in the presentation on the fancy wires. Again, this was way more subtle than the sighted test with isolated negative leads, but apparent enough to give me confidence in my decision.
So for whatever it’s worth, I learned I prefer cheap old standard wire (parallel, bare copper) to the fancy heavy one (tinned copper, twisted). YMMV.
@jr@mac said:
So Ive been running the same 10/2 Knukonceptz cable for a few years now, completely blinged up. About 3m long, terminated with spades on both ends.
This thread has me curious so I whipped up a set of 2m 10awg zippy cord this morning (thanks insomnia), terminated one end with nanners and the other with spades (dreadnaught does not accept nanners).
I'll give it a listen tonight. I think my lcr meter is sensitive enough to measure cable reactance. Be interesting to see any differences between the two cables.
Just curious if you came up with any objective or subjective outcomes JR?
@jr@mac said:
So Ive been running the same 10/2 Knukonceptz cable for a few years now, completely blinged up. About 3m long, terminated with spades on both ends.
This thread has me curious so I whipped up a set of 2m 10awg zippy cord this morning (thanks insomnia), terminated one end with nanners and the other with spades (dreadnaught does not accept nanners).
I'll give it a listen tonight. I think my lcr meter is sensitive enough to measure cable reactance. Be interesting to see any differences between the two cables.
@jr@mac said:
So Ive been running the same 10/2 Knukonceptz cable for a few years now, completely blinged up. About 3m long, terminated with spades on both ends.
This thread has me curious so I whipped up a set of 2m 10awg zippy cord this morning (thanks insomnia), terminated one end with nanners and the other with spades (dreadnaught does not accept nanners).
I'll give it a listen tonight. I think my lcr meter is sensitive enough to measure cable reactance. Be interesting to see any differences between the two cables.
Just curious if you came up with any objective or subjective outcomes JR?
I noticed a subtle difference in the bass, and am working on the theory that 10' of twisted pair simply has more of an effect on system bass tuning than 6' of zippy cord. It is likely the lower series resistance of the 6' coupled with the capacitance introduced in the twisted pair is what effected the tuning.
I am going to keep the zippy cord - it blends better into the background.
Otherwise, there were no eye-opening differences, or at least none the wife and I could discern. I trust her ears implicitly. She is a critical part of my design chain.
Or I may be falling victim to confirmation bias. Guess what I am trying to say is given how little difference I heard, it could still be all in my head.
That all being said, I am willing to sell my blinged out pair of speaker cables.
@6thplanet said:
...with sweet dreams of bitter IPA's
No super bitter IPAs - hoppy for the sake of being hoppy is the same trap wing aficionados fall into: hot for the sake of being hot. As in unnecessarily burning the tongue and rest of digestive chain.
Happily, the hyper-hoppy movement has started falling in favor of more complex flavors. I think it will also happen to the wing world, if the massive list of different flavors offered at B-dubs is any indication. Of course, the fringe will always exist but for now I am just happy to have more options.
There are two sides to hops in a basic sense. Early addition into the boil contributes to bitterness, but late addition (just before halting the boil) adds to the floral hops flavors and aromas. The veriety of hops used in either addition will impart it's own twist to the flavors.
IMO most comercial bottled IPAs are pretty one-note. On tap they realy open up. But I'd say that about most ales anyway.
There are some IPAs I will seek out. Notably Dogfishhead's "minute" IPAs. That mystery hop-X is realy something. A nice citrus note to break up the typical monotony.
I was realy into bold flavor beers 15-20yr ago. But after my personal brewing experience.. If I want to know a microbrewer's chops I order their light beer. No bold flavors to cover up off flavors due to not having total control of their process.
If anyone ever has the chance to check em out. "Grainworks" down around West Chester/Mason Ohio has absolutely knocked my socks off! They have by far the cleanest tasting beers I've tried of any microbrew. (the food is meh, go down the street to Warped Wing for that)
Drew makes good beer. I have only had one of his beers. It was a wild hop beer, not sure what style it was, pale ale maybe. I drank it all. I plan to drink more of Drew's brews.
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I did have my wife connect both to a speaker switch, wired to the same speakers, and hid the connections. When I get time I will do some listening. For the first round I will choose a or b, and if I’m wrong then I know I’m crazy and no reason to go to double blind. If I identify which is which I’ll see if I can get her to run the controls for a real test.
Nice amp!
As for wires, not my thing. The best system I’ve ever heard has over 400’ of SnapAV basic in wall 14/4 (7.1.4 with 3 subs, electronics in the basement).
I still have a "Halloween" cable. It sends power to my soldering workbench. My crossovers need all the help they can get.
Sehlin Sound Solutions
Thanks! I have tried a few others against it including a decent Rotel and it was no comparison. The JBL was clearly better.
That said, I might have a line on an amp I’ve been after for a while, so this one may be available soon. Let me know (any of you on here) if interested!
I listened to them blindly tonight. Short story is I was able to confidently say which was which. It was less clear which was which and took closer listening. I’m certain a big part was not seeing them, and also they shared the negative at the switch and the speakers, so regardless of which was chosen the negative was also used on the other wire, so that possibly contributed.
The defining factors that decided it for me this time around was edgier highs, lack of solid deep bass, lower image height, and less coherence in the presentation on the fancy wires. Again, this was way more subtle than the sighted test with isolated negative leads, but apparent enough to give me confidence in my decision.
So for whatever it’s worth, I learned I prefer cheap old standard wire (parallel, bare copper) to the fancy heavy one (tinned copper, twisted). YMMV.
Just curious if you came up with any objective or subjective outcomes JR?
He's still asleep
...with sweet dreams of bitter IPA's
I noticed a subtle difference in the bass, and am working on the theory that 10' of twisted pair simply has more of an effect on system bass tuning than 6' of zippy cord. It is likely the lower series resistance of the 6' coupled with the capacitance introduced in the twisted pair is what effected the tuning.
I am going to keep the zippy cord - it blends better into the background.
Otherwise, there were no eye-opening differences, or at least none the wife and I could discern. I trust her ears implicitly. She is a critical part of my design chain.
Or I may be falling victim to confirmation bias. Guess what I am trying to say is given how little difference I heard, it could still be all in my head.
That all being said, I am willing to sell my blinged out pair of speaker cables.
No super bitter IPAs - hoppy for the sake of being hoppy is the same trap wing aficionados fall into: hot for the sake of being hot. As in unnecessarily burning the tongue and rest of digestive chain.
Happily, the hyper-hoppy movement has started falling in favor of more complex flavors. I think it will also happen to the wing world, if the massive list of different flavors offered at B-dubs is any indication. Of course, the fringe will always exist but for now I am just happy to have more options.
There are two sides to hops in a basic sense. Early addition into the boil contributes to bitterness, but late addition (just before halting the boil) adds to the floral hops flavors and aromas. The veriety of hops used in either addition will impart it's own twist to the flavors.
IMO most comercial bottled IPAs are pretty one-note. On tap they realy open up. But I'd say that about most ales anyway.
There are some IPAs I will seek out. Notably Dogfishhead's "minute" IPAs. That mystery hop-X is realy something. A nice citrus note to break up the typical monotony.
I was realy into bold flavor beers 15-20yr ago. But after my personal brewing experience.. If I want to know a microbrewer's chops I order their light beer. No bold flavors to cover up off flavors due to not having total control of their process.
If anyone ever has the chance to check em out. "Grainworks" down around West Chester/Mason Ohio has absolutely knocked my socks off! They have by far the cleanest tasting beers I've tried of any microbrew. (the food is meh, go down the street to Warped Wing for that)
Ugh...beer people. 😛
Drew makes good beer. I have only had one of his beers. It was a wild hop beer, not sure what style it was, pale ale maybe. I drank it all. I plan to drink more of Drew's brews.
Time for my mostly useless fact of the day.
I'd choose cannabis over hops any day.
My old tummy agrees, now . . .
Why not both?
If it helps, I also like whisky and whiskey.